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We are approaching a point where anyone will be able to experience a fully immersive VR ego death. Will it ever be a sufficient substitution?

What if you were to experience it when you are very young? Would it be helpful for living in our future? Or will it just make people more depressed?

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OK it was addressed. Ego death isn't the outcome of a sequence of visual input. Were that true, the revolution would be televised.

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I hope you continue to use your clout to produce data like this. You are reading my mind.

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An interesting complementary experiment to this would be taking text descriptions of ego death, across cultures and points of time (shamanistic rites, sufi poetry, doors of perception etc), and chucking it into midjourney to see what comes out and how similar or different they are.

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Jan 7, 2023·edited Jan 7, 2023

Fascinating idea, and results.

fwiw the 85% correlation is not surprising to me. Partly because the images can be split between those that interpret ego-death as bliss and overwhelm, and those that interpret it as hellish. There's cultural awareness that it's overall a fulfilling state in most cases, and so I'd be surprised if the correlation was low.

Also, since altered states of consciousness are not a binary (Mystics talk about multiple such levels eg Sufis have 7 levels give or take), practitioners of meditation, mystical traditions, perhaps even marathoners or dancers, can have a flavor of what's at the end of the road, without having experienced it (yet). Especially in the spiritual case, where ego-death is the belabored outcome of years of devotional practices that symbolically chew away at your ego armor bit by bit.

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Absolutely beautiful! Thanks for sharing

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I wonder how else someone could experience ego death, other than psychedelics or meditation. For example, perhaps head trauma could trigger it, or brain surgery, a stroke that halts blood supply to certain parts of the brain, or some other kind of semi-dissociative trauma experienced from a life experience. I read Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl a couple years ago about his experience as a prisoner at Auschwitz. If you haven’t read it yet, you totally should, it’s extraordinary. Frankl was a psychiatrist. Living in such insane conditions, but with his academic background; his thinking, rationale and insights are profound. Would be interesting to know if others thought he had undergone ego death.

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Very neat. :)

Out of curiosity: How much time did you spend on generating the images? Did you automate (some of) the process or do you have any nifty tricks for Midjourney?

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