To me, im conflicted, because salt is white and white is “pure” and women are “pure” and pepper is black, sometimes brown shades too, and thats dirt color, men are simply darker colors and women are light.
BUT: Salt is cubicle (masculine), heavier (masculine), harder (masculine), the taste is reminiscent of men on a salt/pepper male/female axis. Spiciness is female. (Ground) Pepper is softer (female), pepper is light.
Yeah it’s conflicting — my thoughts went beyond table salt & pepper; salt is necessary for humans to sustain life, reminiscent of sweat (hard work), light-colored/white like other masculine fluids lol, hard, etc. Pepper (pepper corns, fresh peppers, dried, red, similar spices) = nourishing, warming, grounding, adds beauty and flavor in a variety of ways, comes from plants which “carry life” and can be extremely spicy/defensive to protect its chances at reproduction. Therefore, female. But color-wise, I can see salt = white = female (bride, even) and pepper = dark = male.
Fascinating. Some very depressing indeed for a woman with half a brain (the gaps in goodness for astrology, crystals and maths made me want to divest from my gender asap) and some pretty surprising (N Korea being masculine, spanking children being masculine, men valuing own mothers and pregnancy more). All in all tho great stuff.
I don't find pregnancy results surprising. *Other people* being pregnant is great, we'd all go extinct without it. *Me* being pregnant is not as good, it's 9 months of morning sickness and other unpleasant things.
I'd expect a similar effect for childbirth and possibly an opposite effect for things like conscription (defending your country from russians is good... but it's less good if you're the one who has to risk your life in the process)
But one thing is not like the other: if you are pregnant, it’s your genes that get passed on to the next generation, rather than someone else’s, while if you die for your country, you won’t have any more children, and, if anything, any children you already have will be less likely themselves to survive and reproduce.
Yes makes sense. I'm old enough to recall pregnancy as a valuable/interesting experience that resulted in starting two human beings I like and value on their way into the world. Plus the abstract stuff obviously. While my memory of the indignities and pain is very faded.
That said, on a personal side, I'd expect modern young men to be scared of accidental/unwanted pregnancy they could do nothing to stop if the pregnant woman decided to continue, with potential lifetime consequences (while women have the agency in this realm -- though obviously abortion is physically a strong negative, so it probably balances on second thoughts).
Am i reading this correctly, that survey responses placed "meditation" as slightly feminine and about as bad as "racism," "a psychopath," and "the coronavirus"? And substantially worse than suicide, depression, betrayal, and incompetence?
There must be something I'm missing/misunderstanding here.
The one for blowjob is interesting. A blowjob is primarily about a person with a penis receiving pleasure, so I can see why that’s coded male for women. But also, when I [m38] think about blowjobs I’m thinking of the person giving it, which for me has exclusively been women.
It’s interesting that “cunnilingus” doesn’t have the same disparity.
The most interesting section by far is the stuff that each gender wants to push on the other. I wonder how much men and women rating a trans man as feminine/masculine is biased by the different politics on average of each gender. I can see why each gender would call the other entitled or incompetent, but I'm a bit surprised cowardice is up there. I consider it more gender neutral. I can't really see what's feminine about North Korea either myself- it's solidly either masculine or gender neutral in my view.
Have been doing a review of snake mythology and the Aztecs, Incas, Scythians, Zohak, Abyssians, Egyptians, Arawak, Greeks, Papua New Guineans and the Chinese have myths where they sprang from the union of a First Woman and a serpent. Like others, I interpret this as a global (or near-global) phylogeny of snake myths going back at least 15,000 years. It's interesting that this survey finds women have a strong predilection for snakes, given the other explanation is the connection is some cognitive bias that all of these civilizations have noticed independently.
"In general, there was a slight correlation between how masculine an item was, and how ‘bad’ people rated it. Not sure if this is due to me subconsciously adding more bad-masculine things and more good-feminine things though!"
There it is - WAW, the Women Are Wonderful effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect ). We see most items in the top left and bottom right quadrant. The item selection could be biased, but we will never know since there are no objective, unbiased valence indicators for each of these items to compare to. Either way, the WAW effect is there - in the item selection, in the responses or both.
So sad “salt” and “pepper” aren’t on here!!
I often ask people when out to eat, to look at the salt and pepper shaker, and tell me which one is the Man and which is the Woman.
Lmk in the replies!!
Salt = man, pepper(s) = woman
To me, im conflicted, because salt is white and white is “pure” and women are “pure” and pepper is black, sometimes brown shades too, and thats dirt color, men are simply darker colors and women are light.
BUT: Salt is cubicle (masculine), heavier (masculine), harder (masculine), the taste is reminiscent of men on a salt/pepper male/female axis. Spiciness is female. (Ground) Pepper is softer (female), pepper is light.
The conflict is real smh
Yeah it’s conflicting — my thoughts went beyond table salt & pepper; salt is necessary for humans to sustain life, reminiscent of sweat (hard work), light-colored/white like other masculine fluids lol, hard, etc. Pepper (pepper corns, fresh peppers, dried, red, similar spices) = nourishing, warming, grounding, adds beauty and flavor in a variety of ways, comes from plants which “carry life” and can be extremely spicy/defensive to protect its chances at reproduction. Therefore, female. But color-wise, I can see salt = white = female (bride, even) and pepper = dark = male.
Salt = spiro = women. Pepper = men by elimination. xD
Fascinating. Some very depressing indeed for a woman with half a brain (the gaps in goodness for astrology, crystals and maths made me want to divest from my gender asap) and some pretty surprising (N Korea being masculine, spanking children being masculine, men valuing own mothers and pregnancy more). All in all tho great stuff.
I don't find pregnancy results surprising. *Other people* being pregnant is great, we'd all go extinct without it. *Me* being pregnant is not as good, it's 9 months of morning sickness and other unpleasant things.
I'd expect a similar effect for childbirth and possibly an opposite effect for things like conscription (defending your country from russians is good... but it's less good if you're the one who has to risk your life in the process)
But one thing is not like the other: if you are pregnant, it’s your genes that get passed on to the next generation, rather than someone else’s, while if you die for your country, you won’t have any more children, and, if anything, any children you already have will be less likely themselves to survive and reproduce.
Yes makes sense. I'm old enough to recall pregnancy as a valuable/interesting experience that resulted in starting two human beings I like and value on their way into the world. Plus the abstract stuff obviously. While my memory of the indignities and pain is very faded.
That said, on a personal side, I'd expect modern young men to be scared of accidental/unwanted pregnancy they could do nothing to stop if the pregnant woman decided to continue, with potential lifetime consequences (while women have the agency in this realm -- though obviously abortion is physically a strong negative, so it probably balances on second thoughts).
Am i reading this correctly, that survey responses placed "meditation" as slightly feminine and about as bad as "racism," "a psychopath," and "the coronavirus"? And substantially worse than suicide, depression, betrayal, and incompetence?
There must be something I'm missing/misunderstanding here.
I had the same thought, I'm curious what the presentation of rating was like?
The one for blowjob is interesting. A blowjob is primarily about a person with a penis receiving pleasure, so I can see why that’s coded male for women. But also, when I [m38] think about blowjobs I’m thinking of the person giving it, which for me has exclusively been women.
It’s interesting that “cunnilingus” doesn’t have the same disparity.
The most interesting section by far is the stuff that each gender wants to push on the other. I wonder how much men and women rating a trans man as feminine/masculine is biased by the different politics on average of each gender. I can see why each gender would call the other entitled or incompetent, but I'm a bit surprised cowardice is up there. I consider it more gender neutral. I can't really see what's feminine about North Korea either myself- it's solidly either masculine or gender neutral in my view.
I think N Korea was rated highly masculine
But it also has a strong red colour, so there must've been a bunch of men who called it feminine
It just means that men rated it as less masculine than women.
>a snake (13)
Have been doing a review of snake mythology and the Aztecs, Incas, Scythians, Zohak, Abyssians, Egyptians, Arawak, Greeks, Papua New Guineans and the Chinese have myths where they sprang from the union of a First Woman and a serpent. Like others, I interpret this as a global (or near-global) phylogeny of snake myths going back at least 15,000 years. It's interesting that this survey finds women have a strong predilection for snakes, given the other explanation is the connection is some cognitive bias that all of these civilizations have noticed independently.
Read more about the claim here (and why I think there was a global root for serpent myths): https://www.vectorsofmind.com/p/eve-theory-of-consciousness-v3 ctrl-f "scythians" if you just want a bit more info about the list above.
"In general, there was a slight correlation between how masculine an item was, and how ‘bad’ people rated it. Not sure if this is due to me subconsciously adding more bad-masculine things and more good-feminine things though!"
There it is - WAW, the Women Are Wonderful effect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect ). We see most items in the top left and bottom right quadrant. The item selection could be biased, but we will never know since there are no objective, unbiased valence indicators for each of these items to compare to. Either way, the WAW effect is there - in the item selection, in the responses or both.
You can filter outliers by something like this. As I recall, you use Python. https://machinelearningmastery.com/model-based-outlier-detection-and-removal-in-python/
Full size image isn’t available. Links to 404 error :-/
The link to Imgur for the zoomable big chart is broken when I attempt to go to it :(
seems to make sense the answers are all over the place
I expect the results to be very different depending on what your first language is. Many words are gendered in other languages by default.