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robert sapolsky's a primate's memoir is one of my favourite pieces of nonfiction writing, documenting his time studying a troupe of baboons over twenty years. i stil have trouble even describing the various antics he got up to to dart the baboons without laughing too hard to get the words out, and i like it so much more than his later works!

there's another observation that he made about these monkeys that this essay reminded me of. baboons, according to sapolsky, also build networks of alliances to try to take down the alpha of the troupe. they'll get half a dozen guys who over the course of various clandestine midnight meetings all agree to jump the king at the same time, and obviously six baboons is more than sufficient to beat up one stronger than average baboon. still, the conspiracy fails quite often, because when the big moment comes, the baboons lose their nerve and start defecting. mostly, everyone scatters. sometimes, everyone except one or two baboons scatter, and those one or two baboons get really beat up. rarely, enough baboons do not scatter, and they successfully pull off a coup.

i could be misremembering, but according to sapolsky, i dont think the defectors really get punished by the other guys in the conspiracy, the baboons sort of just take it as a fact of life that yeah you can handshake on some great deals, but when the big moment comes many will panic and lose their nerve, thems the breaks of being a baboon.

i think that's really interesting. it kind of makes me curious to if there's any sort of limitations like that for humans, and to what extent it would be helpful to make those explicit, and try to extend grace towards those that fail at certain tasks just because they cannot actually control their biology. as a culture, we kind of take it as a given that people can control all their bodily urges by the time they turn 25, but i think this obviously isn't true upon further reflection. (i write a bit more about this at https://jenn.site/2024/03/how-strong-is-your-monkey-brain/)

and i guess, along those lines - to what extent can people control their urge to play status games? what does like, 5th percentile control look like, and 95th percentile control? how wide's the spread? does it get better or worse if status and status games are talked about openly, like it is in certain nerdy subcultures? much to consider :)

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> I’m also super grateful human women never evolved sexual swelling

We did! It just evolved in a different region because we walk upright. 😁

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