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Tabitha Nichols's avatar

I would chalk up a lot of the pop in interest in sadomasochism and heavy bondage among trans women in the 7 months - 2 year period to be about coming to terms with having erectile dysfunction and then losing interest in more vanilla sex. Maybe a bit crass of an explanation but I think it fits with what I've seen.

Interesting question on the community explanation, I wouldn't be surprised if trans men tend to have communities more similar to their pre transition communities. Especially when it comes to dating it seems much more common for trans women to need to seek a new partner pool after transition than trans men since trans women are either dating straight women or gay men before transition, neither of whom tend to be particularly interested in dating women, while the butch/femme spectrum inside lesbianism can more easily accommodate trans masculinity. So maybe that additional insularity can explain some of the additional divergence among trans women.

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1. Broadly saying "trans people are more ___ than cis people" is a common but very misleading way to distill these types of results. For a more obvious example, it's probably true that "men have [on average] slightly fewer fingers than women." However, while that framing suggests to the imagination a whole population of ~9.95-fingered men standing next to their 10-fingered girlfriends, the numbers actually just capture a vast majority of 10-fingered men plus a small sub-population of dramatic outliers due to violence or workplace accidents.

A more honest form of language would be "The average of values in respondents indicating transwoman identity is slightly higher than the average of values in respondents indicating ciswoman identity," or similar. Likewise, It'd be helpful to see distributions and standard deviations for many of these poll responses both on the cis and the trans side, maybe graphs that parse out trajectories for medians or for 20th vs. 80th percentile, etc.

2. These polls are great fun, but it absolutely contributes to the society-wide decline in information hygiene when you regularly:

- poll an extremely highly selected group of people (on Twitter/ Substack (aware of and following Aella (care enough about BDSM to answer a poll on it))),

- receive oceans of responses enriched with an unknown but likely large quantity of bots, trolls, culture-war-motivated lying, and deliberate multi-responses across alt accounts, and then

- headline your conclusions in ways that fully obscure all those reasons for nuance and epistemic caution, instead presenting your interpretations as broad Truths about group qualities across the general population (which, given the salacious nature of the polls, will go on to be reshared and vaguely internalized _as_ broad Truths by a huge proportion of the audience).

When journalists do this, it's understandable if gross. But as a rationalist-adjacent type, shouldn't you have higher standards for information handling?

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